tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post8601889558733774121..comments2024-02-21T05:25:15.214-05:00Comments on Views from Raven's Nest: Killing in the Name of LifeRavenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-89864185356473716862009-06-04T14:53:04.797-04:002009-06-04T14:53:04.797-04:00Good post Raven.
I am neither for nor against abo...Good post Raven.<br /><br />I am neither for nor against abortion - it's a personal decision that can only be made by the woman who is pregnant.<br /><br />What I cannot understand though is that anti-abortionists think it's wrong to kill a foetus but it's OK to kill an adult. :(Akelamaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234268568845148285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-91647822258788556572009-06-03T23:56:36.794-04:002009-06-03T23:56:36.794-04:00You always take on the challenges Raven - I salute...You always take on the challenges Raven - I salute you in that!<br />You make great points in this post (the sex education, the help for unwed mothers, the help for those who keep their babies.)Carlettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11178161514195582965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-49670890548375131272009-06-03T10:04:28.918-04:002009-06-03T10:04:28.918-04:00WOnderfully well thought out post.
SandiWOnderfully well thought out post. <br />SandiSandi McBridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09033518416111957858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-77342079095519449632009-06-03T04:26:17.799-04:002009-06-03T04:26:17.799-04:00In a statement, Tiller’s family said, quote, “Geor...In a statement, Tiller’s family said, quote, “George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere.”<br /><br />In Dr. Tiller’s own words: <br /><br />I’m a chromosomally disadvantaged person: I am XY, women are XX, and I am a woman-educated physician.<br /><br />There are pivotal patients in everyone’s practice. This girl on my left is nine-and-a-half years old. She can from Southern California with her mother and her aunt for a termination of pregnancy. I told them that I—she was too far along, and I couldn’t help. There were some stories in the newspaper about Dr. Tiller is getting ready to kill babies for a nine-year-old. I don’t know how that happened. But I was trying to explain to my daughters, who were ten and nine at the time, about why I had planned to do this procedure. My ten-year-old daughter said, “Daddy, you’ve got”—I was about thirty seconds into explaining about this, because, you know, these are nine- and ten-year-old girls that I’d had. And what they said—what Jennifer said was, “Daddy, a ten-year-old girl, a nine-year-old girl shouldn’t be pregnant, and simply not by her father or her grandfather or her uncle.” My ten-year-old daughter already knew about sex, about babies. And I, of course, thought that she could car date when she was thirty-five years old by herself. <br />What one of the things that my father taught me was that to be credible in medicine, you must require for your patients the same care that you would require for your family. I made a decision that if my nine- and ten-year-old daughters at that time were in that situation, I would do the procedure. I did it for this girl. It turned out marvelously. There were no problems, no complications. And I made that decision at that time that I was going to help as many people as I possibly could. And age was—if a woman was or a girl was able to get pregnant, we should be able to do a termination of pregnancy.<br /><br />I was 19 year old and alone. I had no contact with the woman who gave birth to me, the one who I could never call mother. I flew to LA to have the procedure done. It was the best I could do. Because of a legacy of abuse, this was not facile in any sense of the word. I had to be put out, which caused profuse bleeding and pain. I was not present. I still have the underpants I wore. Pink.<br /> <br />These are decisions, not made casually. But they are decisions which every woman makes in the sanctity of her own council, in her own bee's chambers.<br /><br />I have a beautiful daughter by adoption. Emma Camille. She is the love of my life, breath of my breath, skin of my skin. . This is my story. Every woman has her own.<br />.gabriellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14488809730387509552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-21746454020424383652009-06-03T01:43:10.283-04:002009-06-03T01:43:10.283-04:00Dear Raven,
It's early in the morning, I'm...Dear Raven,<br />It's early in the morning, I'm writing in a strange language about issues in a country which culture I do not quite understand.<br />In Norway everybody has a choice.<br />There is no death penalties, nor horrifying pro-life doctor murderers.<br /><br />I was bewildered when the doctor asked be, when he found I was pregnant at the age of 37, "Was it planned or do you want an abortion?" <br />I said it was not planned, "Well then you can have an abortion and think about it in a moth or two, if you want to be pregnant."<br />Wow, was that a slap in my face.<br />So cold, so cynical.<br /><br />I could never condemn a woman who feel pressed to take an abortion, I don't know what feelings and motives have caused this choice.<br />I just remember lying on my sofa, holding my hands over my belly, talking to my baby, "The two of us shall manage this."<br /><br />To me it was the first words I spoke to my daughter.<br />I knew I was lucky, financially secure, supporting family, even the father choose to stay with me, and is still by my side.<br />Even so, it was not easy.<br />It was about life and death.<br /><br />Medical technology has come so far that we can chose to remove children with handicaps. In Denmark hardly anyone is born with Down's syndrome anymore.<br />Those are the finest people with a rare talent for spreading happiness I know of.<br />The society has become cold and elitist by us.<br />We do not want that either, do we?<br /><br />I am for more help to single mothers. Help financially, help to education, housing and taking care of children.<br />We actually have programs for that. They just must be far better.<br /><br />There is a new election this year. A populist right wing party just have launched the proposal of a new law. Legalized active death -help.<br />Meaning that doctors and nurses are the ones to decide when to stop treating ill and elderly.<br />Impatient heirs as well.<br /><br />Oh, I know they are doing it already. They tried to shorten my father's life as well as my mother's when she had a brain stroke last year. I had to fight for her rights to treatment. Today she's managing almost on her own, and laughingly says;"I'm stronger than you, Elise." And what more, she's right.<br /><br />I don't like us playing God without his love and his insight.<br />All those years I was single, I knew that I through my job (With mentally retired) was able to give unlimited love and help.<br /><br />I find it horrible when people spend fortunes to artificially have a baby of their own, when there are millions of suffering, needy children in the world.<br /><br />The further science develops, the stronger must the moral codex be.<br /><br />Therefore it must be the law and not the individual to decide right from wrong.<br />As for today there are so many contradictions; I'm scared.<br /><br />You do right in thinking and discussing this topic.<br />Honest and thorough analysis are essential now, more than ever before.<br />The murder of an "abortion doctor" is the ultimate hypocrisy. <br /><br />What about the insurance companies and hospitals denying people lifesaving treatments for financially reasons. <br />Are they NOT murderers?<br />More than any others in my opinion.<br /><br />As I said before, I think the whole legislation need an updating to bring it coherent with medicinal science.<br />Before that happens,who's to judge? <br />Jesus said the innocents may throw the first stone.<br />Not many of us are that innocent, if any.<br /><br />Now I have to go to bed again. I'm exhausted.<br />I guess I'm lucky to be allowed to live.<br />From FelisolFelisol https://www.blogger.com/profile/12240191154632603841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-59276438035117842762009-06-02T22:14:51.257-04:002009-06-02T22:14:51.257-04:00No need to apologize. I don't know anyone who...No need to apologize. I don't know anyone who can sum up their feelings on this issue in a few words. Nor do I think it should be summed up in a few words.<br /><br />It's complicated.<br /><br />I think you did very well illustrating just how complex and individual the subject is. And in so doing, you showed how important choice is.<br /><br />I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion. We are pro-choice.Travis Codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192526507760146748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-7814639400362820652009-06-02T22:10:00.234-04:002009-06-02T22:10:00.234-04:00SouthLakesMom - I tried very hard to point out tha...SouthLakesMom - I tried very hard to point out that I am aware that not all people who oppose abortion are fanatics. I think I said it repeatedly in my post because I know that there are people like you out there. It's not a simple issue and there are a range of people on both sides of the argument. Most are good, decent people. But there are some who would kill, quite a few who spew hate... There is plenty of nastiness on both sides as there is where people's passions run deep.<br /><br />I have never been forunate enough to give birth. As I said, I don't think I could have had an abortion. But I don't believe that it's my right to decree anyone else's right to have or not have one. I think we would be a much better society if we put our energy into preventing the need for abortions rather than trying to dictate one another's morality on the issue of whether they are right or wrong. I think we would do better not demonizing one another. <br /><br />Feel free to rant and to speak your mind. I appreciate it. Peace.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-63369739983901291792009-06-02T21:46:42.408-04:002009-06-02T21:46:42.408-04:00This is not an easy question.
When does the foetu...This is not an easy question.<br /><br />When does the foetus become human? Viability? I have a friend whose twins were born at 24 weeks. They are vibrant thinking human beings now at age 16. At 24 weeks, many in the abortion industry would have said they were still not babies. I'm not sure where we should draw that line.<br /><br />I have carried two children beneath my heart. The moment I felt the first kicks, they were no longer foetuses, but babies.<br /><br />Not all people who are anti-abortion are in favor of the murder of abortionists or the harassment of people who work in the clinics. Most of us deplore the taking of any human life. Not all of us with a different viewpoint are insensitive, uncaring people. Some of us actually do help our neighbors and less fortunate people. Some of us give up vacations and new cars and stuff so we can help people who are struggling. Some of us help build with Habitat for Humanity and other groups, not because we get brownie points with God, but because it is our way of loving our neighbor. Many of us do adopt, and many do contribute heavily to groups that take care of these "unwanted" children. We are not all one stripe or persuasion.<br /><br />However, this is your blog, so I'll stop now. If I need to rant, I'll do it on mine. Peace.SouthLakesMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08822510653198676631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-15766374897881234922009-06-02T17:29:36.848-04:002009-06-02T17:29:36.848-04:00I always want to ask rabid anti-abortionists how m...I always want to ask rabid anti-abortionists how many children they've adopted.<br /><br />The ends do not justify the means.Nessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07779269921583131094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-71051379916370855292009-06-02T16:07:15.871-04:002009-06-02T16:07:15.871-04:00Thank you for the post. I too am pro-choice. It's ...Thank you for the post. I too am pro-choice. It's not for me to say what is right and wrong or how someone live their life. There are too many people out there that are so ready to tell you what to do and are willing to kill to do it. And you are right about them being no different than the Taliban. The only difference between the two are their geographical location. I was raised Baptist, but I was never raised to believe the things that pass as doctrine in some churches. I think that may be why I don't go to church now. But when you've got a guy like Fred Phelp's leading his congregation to protest the funeral of a soldier and blaming it on the U.S. supporting gays or churches who support the death of an abortion doctor, you've got to wonder what is wrong with our country. Again, I don't go to church, but I believe in a God, and he doesn't tote a sniper rifle. Again, thanks for the post.James Pickeringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336945793586222402noreply@blogger.com