tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post5653382906986394863..comments2024-02-21T05:25:15.214-05:00Comments on Views from Raven's Nest: Pelosi SpeechRavenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-64864650429858087302008-10-01T17:48:00.000-04:002008-10-01T17:48:00.000-04:00Thank you for posting this. Yes, the reasons for ...Thank you for posting this. Yes, the reasons for not voting for the legislation are the wrong ones--"Will I get re-elected if I vote the wrong way?" And "I am mad at that speech."Sanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245301334922883500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-37874766821392083722008-10-01T10:19:00.000-04:002008-10-01T10:19:00.000-04:00PS to Diana - Thanks for raising these points beca...PS to Diana - Thanks for raising these points because they are really good ones.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-37496495707988712902008-10-01T10:18:00.000-04:002008-10-01T10:18:00.000-04:00Hi Diana - I was stunned in a bad way initially - ...Hi Diana - I was stunned in a bad way initially - until I read Kucinich and then I felt better about it. What my point is in this post is that they didn't give the sane reason - we think this is a bad bill - they said they voted against it because Nancy Pelosi is partisan. THAT is just dim-witted. Voting against the substance is fine with me, especially - if you explain to me (who is woefully dim about economics) WHY you did so. <BR/><BR/>What is making me - and people like me nuts, I think is that with one breath we are being told that the sky is falling and then we're told that the people who we hired to keep it from falling took their crayons and went home because somebody said something they didn't like and the sky can just fall on us because they are pissed off. They didn't SAY (or it didn't get REPORTED - which is another whole discussion) - we think this is a bad bill on principle and has to be made better before I vote for it. THAT I'm fine with.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-2391793289065003122008-10-01T08:06:00.000-04:002008-10-01T08:06:00.000-04:00Hi beloved Aunt,For the first time in 8 years, a m...Hi beloved Aunt,<BR/><BR/>For the first time in 8 years, a majority of the House stood up to intense pressure and fear-mongering from the Bush administration and gave him the finger, in favor of the American people. Democrats and Republicans stood together to keep this thing from going through - for their own reasons but for GOOD reasons. DC leadership surely did not make it easy for them to do so. Let's give credit where credit is due. I was stunned by their action - in a good way.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07560941304376402462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-20401440121370615322008-09-30T23:42:00.000-04:002008-09-30T23:42:00.000-04:00Hi wonderful niece,I wrote opposing the original. ...Hi wonderful niece,<BR/><BR/>I wrote opposing the original. I don't know what to think about what they are doing. But Dennis K voted against it and I trust his instincts.<BR/><BR/>My point here isn't the right-ness or wrongness of the bill as much as the hypocrisy and self-servingness of the so-called reason for not voting for it. These people can't seem to act like grown-ups under any circumstances. It's really discouraging.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-13491118275887837452008-09-30T23:01:00.000-04:002008-09-30T23:01:00.000-04:00A few people tried to make the claim that the spee...A few people tried to make the claim that the speech was the reason they didn't vote for it. The real reason was that it was unconstitutional, fiscally irresponsible, and because House members received 1.5 million calls and emails from voters (such as myself) - with 100 to 1 telling them that if they vote for this thing, they will not get re-elected.<BR/><BR/>Why anyone is trying to take credit for the bill, or pass blame for it failing is beyond me, when everyone seems to hate it.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07560941304376402462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-15608072081992787092008-09-30T09:36:00.000-04:002008-09-30T09:36:00.000-04:00stive - thanks for the link. I think Bush is a cri...stive - thanks for the link. I think Bush is a criminal... and this is the least of his criminal activities. Thanks for the link.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-85011171263357155002008-09-30T03:37:00.000-04:002008-09-30T03:37:00.000-04:00Full version of Pelosi Speech which is not shown o...Full version of Pelosi Speech which is not shown on TV, I watched here:<BR/>http://tubedirect.net/index.php?q=Pelosi-Speech-fullvideo<BR/>It shows all her speech, including the way it is the cruellest way to criticize the President calling his actions criminal!<BR/>Highly recommended!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187592362927835247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-32313847285321909142008-09-30T01:16:00.000-04:002008-09-30T01:16:00.000-04:00Robert - he absolutely DID say that her speech cau...Robert - he absolutely DID say that her speech caused people to change their votes. It's what he said and it's what the media is reporting he said. It's there on tape. <I><B>"I do believe we could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the house... uh ... we were we we put everything we had in getting the bill to get there today but uh the speaker had to give a partisan voice that poisoned our conference and caused a number of members of the that we thought we could get to go south...</B></I>Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-79273953961625690032008-09-30T01:02:00.000-04:002008-09-30T01:02:00.000-04:00I watched the video. He did NOT say he didn't vot...I watched the video. He did NOT say he didn't vote for it because of her speech. He said she caused people to not vote for it. He stated that eh wanted it to go through and was disappointed that they didn't get the votes. He never said they didn't vote for it because they didn't like her speech. Frank interpreted this as some didn't vote for it because they had their feelings hurt which is nonsense. If Frank can back up his claim that 12 didn't vote in favor because their feelings were hurt, then I'll be happy to listen. The first video failed to prove your point. It actually showed Republicans disappointed that it didn't go through. The second video is just political blame shifting without actual factual support.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02074502919190699746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-87122536822852703682008-09-29T23:42:00.000-04:002008-09-29T23:42:00.000-04:00melli - I do think that is part of it. For myself...melli - I do think that is part of it. For myself I'm not sure what to think. I signed petitions against the original bail-out but I stopped after that because I don't understand the situation clearly enough to know what's the best thing to do.<BR/><BR/>Robert - I couldn't find video that I can post here, but I'll add a link to the page at Huffington Post where there is video of the Republican statement followed by Barney Frank commenting on it. In addition to reading it, I heard it mentioned in the TV news and found reference to it in a number of places besides HuffPo when I was looking for the video and text of Pelosi's speech. Here's a link to the <A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/frank-because-somebody-hu_n_130328.html" REL="nofollow">video</A> at HuffPo.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-34196040673947593842008-09-29T22:41:00.000-04:002008-09-29T22:41:00.000-04:00What is your source for this alleged reason for no...What is your source for this alleged reason for not passing the bail out? As stupid as you think republicans are, I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to say they are not passing it because they didn't like a speech (at least I hope not) and if someone did, I'm with you. I'd have issues with that person or persons that would say such a thing. But to attribute it to the entire party wouldn't make much sense either...unless said party was in full agreement.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02074502919190699746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36130350.post-39520606336002861852008-09-29T22:28:00.000-04:002008-09-29T22:28:00.000-04:00It's all very trying on the general population... ...It's all very trying on the general population... that is certain... but what I read said that the vote went the way it did because the congressmen - both republican and democrats - were catching so much flack from their constituents back home that too many were afraid to vote FOR it - being an election year.Mellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16266127127286739779noreply@blogger.com